On the Rich
Roll podcast, Rich recently had this really fascinating guest named Sid
Garza-Hillman. He is the nutrition and wellness program director at the Mendocino
Center for Living Well at the Stanford Inn Eco-Resort and has a pretty
interesting way of approaching healthful living. After hearing the podcast, I
contacted Sid and read his health manifesto Approaching
the Natural. His book, is more of a pocket-pistol, a small guide and
reminder about how humans should try to approach living. Perhaps what strikes
me most about Sid is his complete sincerity when trying to teach people about
his method as well as his desire to make living as simple as possible- while he
promotes a plant-based diet, he argues we shouldn’t stress about nutrients or
vitamins, there are no charts or tables about how much of X we should be
consuming or how many tablespoons of Y we need everyday. Instead, he suggest we simple eat healthy plant foods until we are
full and should fill our days with art, nature, and other things we see value
in. In short, Sid promotes moving back towards the way we would live in nature,
hence his title, Approaching the Natural.
The result is a fun, and very easy but also engaging read that will help get you up and moving (literally) down the road to better health.
Sid was kind enough to allow me to giveaway a copy of his book and I consider myself fortunate to now count Sid as one of my friends.
You’re book is written as if you’ve
figured out a secret and are trying to clue everyone else in, do you feel that
way?
I
don’t think it’s a secret so much as information that’s not in the mainstream –
i.e. the facts are out there, but not readily available. In the book I try and
distil this info in as accessible way as possible.
I love that you consistently try to make nutrition
and life as simple as possible, how did you come to this realization that nutrition
and health are actually pretty simple concepts?
The
concept of the book came to me when I began to look at humans truly as the
animals that we are. When I look at humans this way, health and nutrition should
be as simple for us as for the other species with whom we share this planet. And
yet, we’re the only species that measures, counts, plans, prepares, processes
our food, and buys into 21 day cleanses and ‘7 days to extreme health’ programs.
And the fact is we are not getting any healthier or happier doing these things
(completely the opposite actually) - in nature we’d be doing none of it. I
argue that even if we get even a little closer to how we lived before we
created this ‘modern’ world – a world of processed foods, tons of animal
products, mechanized movement (cars etc.), and asphalt/concrete that literally
separates us from nature—we’d see improvement in our lives. It used to be
simple – we’d eat natural food (it was all that was available!), drink clean
water, move around because we needed to or for fun, breathe fresh air, and get
plenty of sunlight. I realize that as a species we’re not getting all the way
back to that, but we can exist healthier and happier by moving (by degrees depending
on how far you want to go) closer to how our species was designed to exist.
I think it is fair to say that your view
of nutrition is much larger than just the food we put into our mouths. Care to
share some of the other aspects of this larger picture of good health?
In the
book I write both about physical nutrition, and what I call ‘mental nutrition.’
What we feed our bodies and what we feed our minds. I argue that we are
naturally designed to consume a high quality of both in order to be happy and
healthy. Healthy body, healthy mind, but
vice versa…I think conceptually people understand that, but in reality tend to
feed one or the other (body or the mind) or neither in some cases! In our
culture, fitness, or even worse, simply being thin, is associated with health
and happiness, but I believe true health (and a healthy weight, incidentally) and
happiness come with a healthy body and mind.
Bouncing off the larger picture question,
let’s talk about mental nutrition. This was a new way of viewing mental health for
me. Can you tell me more about that term as well as proper ways to feed the
mind?
The
human species is a naturally creative species. We use our minds to figure
things out in ways more advanced than most other species. To foster this
creativity is to live more fully as a human. Likewise, we crave information,
learning, and education, and so feeding our minds good ‘food’ (art, music,
books, film) is in line with our design and therefore doesn’t create conflict
within us (just as eating healthy food is right in line with our design doesn’t
create conflict in our physical bodies). I am the Programs Director at the
Mendocino Center for Living Well at the Stanford Inn Eco-Resort, and part of
what we offer, aside from nutrition, cooking, yoga etc. is Art Therapy and
Gardening. Why? Because we think these types of classes are as integral to
health and happiness as anything else we offer. Getting back to creating art
without judgment, just for the fun of it, is extremely cathartic and
beneficial, just as getting your hands in the dirt!
In your book you discuss the benefits of
grounding. I had never heard about this before (and to be honest, I’m a bit
skeptical) but what exactly is grounding and what are the benefits?
My
editor tried to get me to reduce the amount of quotes/references I put in that
chapter, but I kept them in because the concept of grounding sounds weird to
most people and I wanted readers to read some research first hand. The concept
seemed very strange to me too at first, but like most of my research into
health and nutrition, the more I read the more obvious it became. For example,
nobody questions the fact that when our skin is exposed to sunlight, our bodies
produce vitamin D. The reason this occurs is because our bodies are designed to
interact with the natural world in a way that sustains and continues our own
lives and the ‘life’ of the earth as well. Similarly, we did not evolve with
rubber mats on our feet (i.e. shoes), but instead were (until very recently)
physically connected to the earth’s surface. In fact, every other wild animal
is physically connected to the earth. In the book I simply explored the actual
mechanism of what occurs when we are connected versus what occurs when we are
not. Given that we are electrical in nature (electricity governs the
functioning of our bodies—just think of the heart beating or impulses traveling in our nervous system), being electrically grounded to the earth has
great benefit for our species, which I describe in great detail in chapter
three.
I heard you talk about the link between
food and violence elsewhere. Can you tell us more about your thoughts on this?
In my
experience as a certified nutritionist, I have seen first hand that what we put
in our bodies affects our mood. When someone feels good (and looks good, for
that matter), they feel better, and that affects how they interact socially
with the rest of the world. Think about how irritable you can be when you’re
sick or haven’t gotten enough sleep, for example. Studies have been done in
schools and prisons whereby increasing the quality of the food decreases the
instances of violence. The thing is, studies aside, it comes down repeatedly to
this: we can either work with the natural inclinations of our minds and bodies,
or against them. When we work against them, there are serious repercussions.
The violence in the human species is way out of control and on a completely
unnatural level. One could argue that lions are violent, but they don’t kill
with the recklessness that our species does, nor does any other species for
that matter. I posed the question of why that is, and believe the answer to be
because we’re becoming more and more unnatural in every way and paying for it
as a species.
In the past few weeks a couple of "big" name vegan
and plant-based people have gone back to eating meat and dairy. Since you are a nutritionist, do you
have any thoughts about this?
Couple things: 1. There is a tremendous amount of fear associated with
food (most of it economically driven). We may read that even though the US
consumes more calcium than almost any other country in the world we still have
the worst bone health, but we're bombarded with advertising about calcium and
dairy, and MD's and many dieticians are still recommending yoghurt, milk, and
cheese -- we come to feel that we'll literally break if we don't eat our Greek
yoghurt. Same thing goes for protein--billions of dollars are made by
convincing the public that we need protein above all else. Most people don't
want to take the risk of not consuming animal products, and especially when it
comes to their children. Many try vegan, but if it's not immediately
better, they'll recoil into the safety of how they were raised and told to eat.
2. Being vegan or plant-based doesn't necessarily mean you're eating
healthy...chips, french fries, white flour, white rice, scotch, coca-cola are
all vegan but super unhealthy. If you eat processed and refined plants, you're
nutritionally better off eating meat and dairy. But if you're eating whole
plants (unrefined fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans) you're better off
than eating animal foods or refined foods.
I've been plant-based for 10 years, my wife and children are plant-based. My wife gave birth to three children (two of which are twins) on a whole plant-based diet. Rich Roll, Scott Jurek, Brendan Brazier, and tons of other extreme athletes are not just surviving, but thriving on a whole plant-based diet. The people you're referring to may think they need to consume more protein, and perhaps they do (I wouldn't know without working with them personally), but they're making an ill-informed choice as to where they're choosing to get it. There's an abundance of protein in the plant world that comes jam packed with micronutrients in a way that animal products simply don't...
I've been plant-based for 10 years, my wife and children are plant-based. My wife gave birth to three children (two of which are twins) on a whole plant-based diet. Rich Roll, Scott Jurek, Brendan Brazier, and tons of other extreme athletes are not just surviving, but thriving on a whole plant-based diet. The people you're referring to may think they need to consume more protein, and perhaps they do (I wouldn't know without working with them personally), but they're making an ill-informed choice as to where they're choosing to get it. There's an abundance of protein in the plant world that comes jam packed with micronutrients in a way that animal products simply don't...
Let’s talk about the Paleo diet and the
Cross Fit movement which currently have been getting so much attention. What
are your thoughts?
First,
these plans/programs all have benefits. The question becomes whether people can
stick with them or not and whether they will deliver health and happiness. Diets
and plans don’t typically do the trick. The paleo craze is, a little nutty
(scientifically speaking). On the plus side of paleo, it’s dairy free, but
again, it’s too involved for most people to stick with for the rest of their
lives, and way too meat-heavy. By most accounts, the meat consumption of the
human species was pretty minimal (about 5% of our caloric intake). Paleo for
most people is just an excuse to eat as much meat as possible, much in the same
way as Atkins gave people a perceived license. If people want to truly adopt
Paleo they should consume predominantly wild (and therefore whole) plants, and
when plants are scarce, get out into the wild, chase down an animal, and eat it
raw and fresh. Going to Safeway and buying corn or soy-fed beef wrapped in
cellophane ain’t what our ancestors were doing.
I would eat flesh today if it were the best caloric source I could find.
The fact is I have access to an absolutely huge variety of fruits, vegetables,
nuts and seeds, so animal foods are completely unnecessary. As for Crossfit,
I’ve heard definite pluses and minuses (McKenzie and I were back-to-back
guests on the Rich Roll Podcast), but the fact is, it’s a plan for people with
heavy-duty fitness as their goal. In contrast, I’m trying to reach super busy
people who want to improve their lives, but need to learn how to get themselves
going right away, by taking however small steps as necessary to get them to
begin living well.
How do you discuss nutrition with friends,
family, and even strangers in a positive accessible manor? What are some of the
most helpful tips for people looking to become healthier?
As
much as possible I don’t discuss the topic unless it’s brought up by someone
else. If someone asks me about something I’ll definitely weigh in. On a case by
case basis if erroneous comments are made (i.e. milk it does a body good) I’ll
speak up if I think the person will be receptive…I’ve helped family members and
friends along the way, but again, only when they’ve approached me. Over the
years I’ve realized that it’s useless to provide unsolicited advice to anyone.
If they want to know they’ll ask (or buy a book!).
As for
helpful tips (besides reading my book)…ease your way in. It’s much harder than
it sounds, as we are bombarded with quick-fix solutions and hope so much
they’ll do the trick. Unfortunately most often they just don’t. We’re all busy
and taking small steps is simply the most effective way to make life-long
changes.
Reach me:
sid@transitioningtohealth.net
twitter:
@sidgarzahillman
facebook: facebook.com/TransitioningToHealth
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